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The XOOPS Foundation Manifesto

Posted by Foundation on 2007/10/11 17:11:37 (12534 reads) | Posted on XOOPS
The Board of the XOOPS Foundation publishes its Manifesto, addressing our vision of the XOOPS universe and the role of the Foundation within this. In this statement, issues raised by the XOOPS project Council are also addressed.

The goal of the XOOPS Foundation is to provide the basic means for XOOPS to grow. It is the Foundation’s belief that XOOPS is made up out of three separate but entwined units: the XOOPS Project, where the core of the XOOPS system is defined and developed, the XOOPS Communities, where support is being provided for the user base, and the XOOPS Foundation, who provides support and continuity for both the project and the community. We call this the XOOPS Trinity, in which each unit focuses its (limited) resources on specific areas of expertise. Together, they all work and collaborate to make XOOPS better. They do this as equal partners, in a professional, mature and open source spirit. That is the core of the vision the XOOPS Foundation has for XOOPS.



Leadership

For almost two years now, the XOOPS forums everywhere have been dominated by discussions about leadership. These discussions focussed mainly about two things: who are the people in power, and who is responsible and accountable for everything that is not happening or has been done wrong. These discussions have cost XOOPS tremendous amounts of time and energy, which should have been spent on improving the XOOPS system core codes and the quality of support provided by our community to our users.

Our vision on leadership relies on the XOOPS Trinity. Leadership is different for each unit, and there is no overall Supreme Leader. Each unit runs itself, and does not interfere with managing the other units, other then what collaboration agreements decide.

The Project

The XOOPS Project unit is an open source software development project. For open source software development projects, decision making processes and conflict management mechanisms are widely available and implemented in the tools the project already uses, such as the SourceForge.net subversion system and trackers. The Foundation does not have any preference as to the mechanisms the core development project uses to reach its decisions on the development roadmap and code contributions, as long as they are in the spirit of open source.

The Community

Who knows best what the XOOPS users’ needs are? Who knows best how to provide quality end-user support? Who knows best what it takes to create a great XOOPS powered website? Who better to give valuable feedback on developments and releases? The answer to this question is the XOOPS Community. The Foundation believes that the XOOPS Community is the engine of XOOPS. Its contributions, big and small, is the blood in its veins.

The XOOPS Foundation feels that the talent within the XOOPS Community should be acknowledged, and in order to make XOOPS better, that the Community should be allowed to showcase its talents. This means, in the vision of the Foundation, that the XOOPS Community should not be managed by a (group of) Supreme Coordinator(s), but that the modus operandi is self-organization.

If the Community feels a need, and the need is big enough, then the talents within the Community should be able to address this need, and organize this themselves. The XOOPS Foundation makes resources available to those Community initiatives that address a need that make XOOPS as a whole better.

This works on the assumption that if a need is big enough -and therefore shared by a part of the Community, then the talents within the Community should be able to self-organize an initiative to meet this need. If extra resources are necessary, then the Foundation can make these available.

However, if the need is only shared by a few members of the Community, and a Community initiative fails to be self-organized, then this means that the need (apparently) is not big enough. The initiative had a high failure risk, because the Community was unable to provide the basic organization and resources to make it work properly.

This modus operandi gives true meaning to the slogan Powered by you!. Not just a handful of people are responsible for everything that doesn’t happen, but everyone is responsible for everything that does happen. This is a fundamental paradigm shift in how the XOOPS Community is involved within XOOPS, and a change the XOOPS Foundation feels is necessary.

The Foundation

The third unit is the XOOPS Foundation. The Foundation is there to provide continuity to XOOPS by managing and protecting the main assets and supporting the XOOPS Project and the XOOPS Community in its tasks of developing the XOOPS System core and providing quality end-user support respectively. In this, the Foundation does not lead the Project nor the Community, but provides the platform where the interests of all 3 units can be discussed and issues about collaboration addressed. The Foundation also provides the means for all units to represent themselves to the outside world as One XOOPS.

The resources the XOOPS Foundation manages are the building blocks that make it possible to have an active Project and Community: the webservers the XOOPS project and community websites are hosted on, the international trademark of the name XOOPS, the income generated by sale of ad space and merchandising, the domain names related to XOOPS, etc. All these the Foundation manages so the XOOPS Project and the Community can exist and do what they do best. Resources donated to XOOPS are managed by the Foundation, so they are available for the XOOPS Project and the Community initiatives, in order to improve all of XOOPS.

The XOOPS Foundation provides, as the type of organization already claims, the foundations on which the XOOPS Project and the XOOPS Community can build a better XOOPS.

This is the vision the Board of the XOOPS Foundation has of the XOOPS universe, and the one that it wants to share with everyone. It is not a roadmap for the organization of the XOOPS Project and the Community. But it is what the Foundation will base its decisions on in the work it does, as described on the xoopsfoundation.org website.



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So, you're saying that the Project is to restrict itself to coding.
The Community is to provide support.
The Foundation is to restrict itself to enabling both of the above and to the presentation of XOOPS in any official external capacity.

Is that a fair surmise?

If so:
1) Will the Foundation assist the Community to fulfill it's role by allowing the former Documentation, News/Comms, Theme/Design, Moddev, Coordination teams access to areas of the xoops.org site?

I know that the Foundation has kind of done this by providing xoopsinfo, but this was created in desperation because the tools were not made available on x.o.

I have to say that whoever has been in charge of distributing the building blocks that make it possible to have an active Project and Community has been slacking. Witness the eagerness five or six months ago by community members to fulfill their role as defined in the above manifesto. Snubbed.

2) Does the Project accept that it's influence and powers extend no further than the core?

If so, why are they trying to influence what goes on here on x.o and indeed trying to modify the site rather than leave it to the Community?


In my opinion, while this manifesto sounds lovely, it's a fallacy. Maybe the Foundation has had a change of heart and intends to start living up to it's manifesto from now on. Maybe it's just window dressing. It's time for the Foundation to do as it preaches. Not just fobb people off with colourfuly worded documents.

@ Foundation, please give the community the tools it has been asking for for years now, and stop providing barriers.

@ Project, please stick to coding. It's what you're best at.

@ Community. Time to unite one more time and regain that enthusiasm shown so clearly half a year ago.
Would the former teams please report in for duty here. Foundation has said it's here to grant us tools to work. Time to get cracking.
Published: 2007/10/10 20:05 • Updated: 2007/10/10 20:05
Totally and completely aggree with you sailjapan.. Great job!
Published: 2007/10/10 20:16 • Updated: 2007/10/10 20:16
I would expect nothing less than that from a fellow sailor. Nice job Crip!

I think you summarized it very nicely. If anything good comes of this whole thing I think it is that the issues hounding this project have been highlighted and the solution is clear!

I think we should call the new episode of XOOPS "Get Crackin'".

Seth
Published: 2007/10/10 20:22 • Updated: 2007/10/10 20:22
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@ Community. Time to unite one more time and regain that enthusiasm shown so clearly half a year ago.
Would the former teams please report in for duty here. Foundation has said it's here to grant us tools to work. Time to get cracking.


Always here and always supporting XOOPS in everyway possible.
Published: 2007/10/10 20:27 • Updated: 2007/10/10 20:27
Thanks for the Foundation manifesto, I think it is very useful framework and hopefully a step towards getting everyone working together. I hope that the other 2 elements of XOOPS (the project and the community) can reach agreement on this and develop their own complimentary manifestos.

It would be great if phppp/project council could post a detailed response, so that everyone knows where they stand.

I think the principles in this manifesto also need to be translated into a set of operational rules and procedures that govern day-to-day management (eg. please see this thread on improving the governance of XOOPS).

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@ Foundation, please give the community the tools it has been asking for for years now...

@ Project, please stick to coding. It's what you're best at.

@ Community. Time to unite one more time and regain that enthusiasm shown so clearly half a year ago.


A lot of us don't see eye to eye, but we all have one thing in common - we want the project to succeed. Today is a good day to 'bury the hatchet' and start again. Please make this a fresh start.

COLLABORATE OR DIE!
Published: 2007/10/10 20:36 • Updated: 2007/10/10 20:37
another sketch !
oh guys, every day is good for you to make XOOPS ridiculous !
And i'm just surprised to see the manifesto is a foundation manifesto ! now XOOPS is not driven by the community ?? why not changing the "powered by you" to "powered by foundation, don't forget to donate for herko & co"
it's more and more time to dissolve this personal toy, that deserves the project. for sure herko & co are on the way to kill XOOPS itself. And no product => no foundation => end of some private and non transparent interests !
well done guys !
Published: 2007/10/11 18:05 • Updated: 2007/10/11 18:06
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Published: 2007/10/11 18:15 • Updated: 2007/10/11 18:15
As usual Marco, thank you for your constant criticism. I'm sure we all appreciate how this helps the XOOPS project move forward.

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And i'm just surprised to see the manifesto is a foundation manifesto

Now be honest. If we have titled it the "XOOPS Manifesto" you would have whined that we again, appropriate the project. This is exactly why we named it the XOOPS Foundation Manifesto. It is OUR vision of XOOPS. It does not need to be everyone's vision; it does not need to be the vision this project adopt, and it WILL definatly NEVER be your vision. We know that

So again, be honest, what ever we do, every move we make, every word we say, you'll say we are wrong. Can we list all the post you made in the last months related to the Foundation and fine some you did not shoot at us ?

Everyone here is doing the best he can to the best of his knowledge. We are all committed to make XOOPS better. We spent enormous amount of hours doing what we think is best for XOOPS. Of course, no one is always right. But at least we try. We don't bash all the time on other people's effort.

Now I'm off to bed as it's the only good thing left to do today.
Published: 2007/10/11 19:00 • Updated: 2007/10/11 19:00
Marcan,

With all due respect, I have heard this drival over and over and over again, if this is Herko's vision of XOOPS what the hell happened to all the over visions he promised XOOPS and failed to deliver time and time again?

Sorry Marcan, you have a heart of gold and I respect you totally, but we do not believe anything that is said here now, as it is only said as sweetners to a project that is now bitter as hell.
Published: 2007/10/11 19:37 • Updated: 2007/10/11 19:39
I want Splenda please... Sweetners bring Cancer...
Published: 2007/10/11 19:48 • Updated: 2007/10/11 19:48
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...we do not believe anything that is said here now, as it is only said as sweetners to a project that is now bitter as hell.


What do you mean we? Try I.

As far as I'm concerned, you can take what Marcan says to the bank. He's been working for the project when others have not been here, or have been complaining, etc.

To those trying to pull the threads of this project together, please talk to each other, do what you need to do to get past whatever the road blocks are (personalities, agendas, etc), and ignore these vicious forum threads. Please... In my opinion, that's the only way at this point to save the project.
Published: 2007/10/11 20:51 • Updated: 2007/10/11 20:51
Heck, I would just be happy for the modules that are being kept up to date to start being placed back in the MODULES download section.

Can we please start showing some forward movement before XOOPS dies out!!!!!!!!!!!!
Published: 2007/10/11 20:56 • Updated: 2007/10/11 20:56
Who has exploited cupidity and greed to lead community users out of xoops.org?

How did it damage the project, community and himself?

What are the core improvements by smart contributions?

Who has a seat on council and foundation?

For sure there's an effort of honesty to be done, but by such smart people.
Which seems to be manipulating everyone behind the scenes.




In its earlier days did XOOPS need a Foundation?

I don't think so. It only needed an open place where people could freely share creativity and innovation. As it was done once more on xoopscube.org with the founder of xoops.org and many others that share a common vision of open source spirit

If people are mature and responsible. There's not need for chief. Only a direction. And a light structure to move on faster and set everyone free to help each other on the way.

A safe open source environment without "we and you" but with a lot of place around for companies, and individuals.


Maybe they should also consider that their customers are aware and checking what they have being done here and what they already payed for...
Published: 2007/10/11 21:09 • Updated: 2007/10/11 21:48
I think Marco or Hervet should be appointed to the foundation so they can perform the annual audits, manage the bank accounts, manage DNS and respond to the community when they ask questions. I don't say this jokingly.

They both appear to pull some weight around here because of the contributions of Instant-Zero and if we eliminated their negative feelings that would be a positive for XOOPS.

Damaster(bator) - Your idealistic interpretation of how things in the real world operate is mind-boggling.

If you had no foundation who would steal all of the money? Who would pay for the servers? Who would manage those copyrights, Mr. Criticize Everybody for Not Giving Credit Where Credit is Due?

Either I completely miss your sense of humor or you're a high school kid.

Seth
Published: 2007/10/11 22:49 • Updated: 2007/10/11 22:49
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if we eliminated their negative feelings that would be a positive for XOOPS

start by yourself ...

And to your list, I will add, a personal coaching for you, 1 hour per week, "how to use my brain".
More than 1 hour will be too much.
Published: 2007/10/12 1:15 • Updated: 2007/10/12 1:27
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And to your list, I will add, a personal coaching for you, 1 hour per week, "how to use my brain".
More than 1 hour will be too much.


Is it that you don't want to eliminate the negative feelings and it's easier to bitch and moan than it is to produce a financial audit and try to be accountable to the community?

I said that with respect for you and the contribution that you have made to the project. I have seen many comments from both you and Marco about your lack of confidence in the transparency of the foundation. Usually along the lines of "Herko, where is the $6000.00 from the add revenue". I don't think it would be unreasonable to put those in charge that have the most concern and motivation to solve a problem. If you have a solution then by all means bring it on!

Sheesh, 1 hour and I'll know how to use your brain? Sign me up.
Published: 2007/10/12 2:16 • Updated: 2007/10/12 2:16
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Is it that you don't want to eliminate the negative feelings and it's easier to bitch and moan than it is to produce a financial audit and try to be accountable to the community?

Try to use your brain, that's Marco's job
:--)))))))))))

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I said that with respect for you and the contribution that you have made to the project.

So do I but Either I completely miss your sense of humor or you're a high school kid.

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I have seen many comments from both you and Marco about your lack of confidence in the transparency of the foundation. Usually along the lines of "Herko, where is the $6000.00 from the add revenue".

Yes

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I don't think it would be unreasonable to put those in charge that have the most concern and motivation to solve a problem. If you have a solution then by all means bring it on!

re read the story ...
A true financial report is asked by some members of the community (not only me and marco) but also by the council...


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Sheesh, 1 hour and I'll know how to use your brain? Sign me up.

It will not be enough for you.

Either I completely miss your sense of humor or you're a high school kid.

Try to use it, really, you will feel better, after.

PS : It seems to me, when I read you, that you really like "negative feelings that would be a positive for XOOPS"
Published: 2007/10/12 2:28 • Updated: 2007/10/12 2:30
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I don't think it would be unreasonable to put those in charge that have the most concern and motivation to solve a problem. If you have a solution then by all means bring it on!

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re read the story ...
A true financial report is asked by some members of the community (not only me and marco) but also by the council...



Understood. I was simply saying that I thought that those who were most impacted by a problem would be the ones most likely to maintain the motivation to solve it.

You and I both know that this has all gone on too long. You have contributed much to the project and the community. Use the respect that you have around here to make some changes.

Now, back to high school to refine my sense of humor..
Published: 2007/10/12 2:45 • Updated: 2007/10/12 2:45
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Understood. I was simply saying that I thought that those who were most impacted by a problem would be the ones most likely to maintain the motivation to solve it.

Are you reading what you are writing ?
It's the one which is beat to solve the problem ?

If the foundation was really honest, it will have produce a REAL financial report.

It seems, when I see your grade of "Friend of Xoops" that you gave money. And it seems to me, too, that you gave money without the need to understand what it was used for ...

It seems that you liked to be #OOPS#

Is it normal to use the money to pay xoops.nl where the chairman is "webmaster" ?


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You and I both know that this has all gone on too long.

That's why you made your first post here, to stop the "things"
Mettre de l'huile sur le feu

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You have contributed much to the project and the community. Use the respect that you have around here to make some changes.

Use the respect (but I doubt you have some) you are suppose to have for me and above all, use you intelligence !
Published: 2007/10/12 2:54 • Updated: 2007/10/12 2:54
No, I meant us. As I know for a fact I am not the only person who feels like this.

I have been here at XOOPS just as long as you have, I given this project more than my fair share of hours and time, and I believe I do have the right to voice my opinion, whether or not it may not be palatable by some.

You just have to look back on these forums, news to see the same promises made regarding changes will come, and nothing happens. Don’t tell me you haven’t seen them?

It’s all fair and well saying lets try and pull this project together, I agree with that statement and if you have been following my threads, that is exactly what I have been trying to do, but I will not bury my head in the sand and pretend that this situation is not here or a post from some council of foundation member is going to make that right.

My posts are not personal, nor meant to be. The fact remains this, there are people in power abusing these powers and do not have XOOPS real interests at heart. Because if they did, then we wouldn’t be having these discussions time and time again.

The sad matter of the truth is this, I believe our discussions fall on deaf ears and we have now been having them for over 3 years now and so how long will it take before people realise if it is not going to?

The time for talking is over, either they do what they promised to do or get out and let other people do it. There are loads of people who have offered their help in one form or another and been refused. Why don’t you ask these people why they are not helping? It’s not because they don’t want to, they can’t.

I don’t know if you remember this Chappy? It was Herko and I who started the module development sites and teams. I had that project up and running, teams formed and new modules getting developed and it was all done over at dev.xoops.org, you just need to look at that project to see how much it was cared for after I left.
Published: 2007/10/12 7:14 • Updated: 2007/10/12 7:27
Come guys, can we please stop with the childish name calling and mindless insults?

This is no way to earn respect of give the impression we are adult enough to govern this project. It has to stop, and stop from everyone if this project is to stand a chance of survival it.

Just think before you post if this is the image you want to portray XOOPS as?
Published: 2007/10/12 7:21 • Updated: 2007/10/12 7:22
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Just think before you post if this is the image you want to portray XOOPS as?


Or - how you want to portray yourself, especially as a professional? Consider a prospective client, doing a search on your name/business, only to find your most recent posts at XOOPS.org.

Because of its pagerank, XOOPS gets crawled rather frequently and ranks high in the SERPs.
Published: 2007/10/12 8:43 • Updated: 2007/10/12 8:43
I have talked with Seth and everything is ok, he have my respect.

If he don't agree, he can express it himself.
Published: 2007/10/12 13:11 • Updated: 2007/10/12 13:11
You got it Hervet and our respect is mutual. Thanks for the PM.

Seth
Published: 2007/10/12 14:02 • Updated: 2007/10/12 14:02
My apologies to you both, seems I took your friendly banter out of context.
Published: 2007/10/12 14:35 • Updated: 2007/10/12 14:35
The foundation and the council both need to read Sailjapan's first post 10 times ..... and then they need to make it happen.

by the way, it seems that there's official leadership/representation within the council and foundation. how about an official leader/representative for the COMMUNITY. many great things come out of the community that slip through the cracks. the community representative could make sure the most important ideas, concerns, and work are not lost and are recognized by the council and the foundation.

I think davidl2 or catz would be perfect for the role but, of course, it would need to be something that the community gets to vote on.
Published: 2007/10/12 15:21 • Updated: 2007/10/12 15:21
@marcan
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As usual Marco, thank you for your constant criticism.

sorry, but we have to move things forward, it's not my fault if some made errors for personal interests (instead of community ones) and bring XOOPS to dead. they make XOOPS more ridiculous days after days.

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Now be honest. If we have titled it the "XOOPS Manifesto" you would have whined that we again, appropriate the project. This is exactly why we named it the XOOPS Foundation Manifesto. It is OUR vision of XOOPS. It does not need to be everyone's vision; it does not need to be the vision this project adopt, and it WILL definatly NEVER be your vision. We know that

sorry, but the community never asked for the foundation creation. it's up to the community to write down its own manifest. The foundation is not legitimate, it's only a personal toy of some, that's why its members are autoproclamed, and financial status are not transparent.
Please dissolve it, it deserves the community, and kills any initiatives : it's a non productive, and has nothing to do with xoops. the project is not mature enough to manage such a tool. our first goal should be to attrack new skilled members, to improve the core itself, and to promote community contributions and fun. Not to promote personal interests and opacity.

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We are all committed to make XOOPS better.

sorry because of many lies, how can we trust the foundation ?
As long as some are still here, the project will not be able to move on. it's up to them to quit.

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We don't bash all the time on other people's effort.

first of all, please ask yourself if your efforts made within the foundation are worth to : has the foundation been made by and for the benefit of XOOPS community. No, because its only goal was to protect positions of some, set a trademark and buy some domains for personal interests. Sorry but the foundation don't own the community. we never asked for it's creation. we never elected its members. we don't know what its revenus are used for. please have some ethics,at once. Please ask the squatters to quit xoops, and let's dissolve the foundation. For the benefit of xoops.

NB : i'm surprised to notice that the toy news are posted by a generic account. why not using yours? let's be honest and don't hide you behind generic accounts.
Published: 2007/10/13 3:58 • Updated: 2007/10/13 4:34
why don't you quit XOOPS marco (again, as it wouldn't be the 1st time?) who elected you the police captain? who made you the spokesperson, your accusations against the foundation are nothing more than your general opinion because you don't like it. you never ever gave the foundation chance, the foundation hasn't achieved what you ask for because you are constantly fighting it (or should i say, you are consantly too busy making accusations and demands on herko all the time).

ethics seems to be something you are lackin marco, toy news? grow up will you. generic account go tell the council about their generic account, i didn't see you complain about that. so i tell you to grow up too.

it'd be peaceful around here if you yourself quit along with a few others.

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sorry because of many lies, how can we trust the foundation ?
As long as some are still here, the project will not be able to move on. it's up to them to quit.


again with the accusations marco, lies? what lies? you're full of #OOPS#. how can we trust you or hervet or any1 else for that matter? that's when maturity comes into play marco, but being immature yourself, you can't see that your own actions are what you are so loudly speaking against.

you ask people to move forward etc, but then you accuse those same people of lies etc and other false opinions. yet you expect them to move forward with you? why would anybody do what you want them to do when you are constantly criticising and accusing them of alsorts? grow up!!
Published: 2007/10/13 5:03 • Updated: 2007/10/13 5:14
Is Herko paying you out of the revenues or something?
If you point fingers be aware there are 3 pointing back at your self.....
Published: 2007/10/13 5:22 • Updated: 2007/10/13 5:22
why would herko pay me? i'm not in the foundation.

i am able to have my own opinions

I do not receive any money from XOOPS at all, and for a matter of fact, I have never ever received any payment from herko or XOOPS for anything, neither have i asked for either.

the only time I have been offered anything is when i quit my old managing job and therefore no longer had my own server, and herko very kindly gave me some free space and bandwidth on 1 of his own *personal* servers, that is the same server where I located my test site & stored all my hacks and files that were for the XOOPS community, and many people did get a use for them. But that was from herko & nothing to do with xoops.
Published: 2007/10/13 5:35 • Updated: 2007/10/13 5:35
I havn't been around for a while and the first thing i see is this thread, that and the dumb default avatar.

Manifestos are for politicians yes?
Published: 2007/10/13 6:20 • Updated: 2007/10/13 6:20
@vaughan/monty and all his generic accounts

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your accusations against the foundation are nothing more than your general opinion because you don't like it
no, sorry, those are facts, only facts. open your eyes my dear !

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the foundation hasn't achieved what you ask for because you are constantly fighting it (or should i say, you are consantly too busy making accusations and demands on herko all the time).

the foundation is only a toy. nothing else. we never asked for it. and XOOPS is not mature to manage another complexity. actually there is no mature person to manage it. and i don't trust self elected persons, sorry. you won't teach a CPA what transparency is.

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generic account go tell the council about their generic account, i didn't see you complain about that. so i tell you to grow up too.

yep, that's the same for the council, indeed.

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what lies?

shall i list them? the first of them is to publish due financial reports. actually those are a joke. but shall i publish all the others?

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that's when maturity comes into play marco, but being immature yourself, you can't see that your own actions are what you are so loudly speaking against.
please bring facts vaughan/monty/etc. I would be glad to read why i'm not mature. Sorry to say truth.

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yet you expect them to move forward with you?

sorry i don't run for titles. it's a dead concept.
see the first action of herko was to add himself as the "chairman of the foundation" and "former XOOPS project manager". It has nothing to do with opensource.

@ wizanda
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Is Herko paying you out of the revenues or something?

i guess not. we have already jmorris (strange, i can't see the fees in the "as is" foundation "financial report"), should we think monty/vaughan and his other accounts have been retributed? i guess no. but let us know.

Lies one day, lies allways.
Published: 2007/10/13 6:55 • Updated: 2007/10/13 8:44
This is all very amateur.

(I don't have any solutions either, just despair!!)
Published: 2007/10/13 8:35 • Updated: 2007/10/13 8:35
@ Vaughan and Marco

Will you take your boring personal battles to the park or somewhere? Anywhere but where we all have to read it.

Crip
Published: 2007/10/13 11:33 • Updated: 2007/10/13 11:33