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#61 Posted on: 2007/2/1 13:09 Re: Has Xoops lost its appeal?
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If the wheel hadn't been reinvented we wouldn't have learned to fly and maybe the idea in the back of all this is to reinvent XOOPS to make it land on solid ground.


I like that approach very much, its the call of the pioneer and explorer to find a better way. There is a probelem here: we seem to be plagued with what can be called 'analyses paralysis' Rather than taking calculated risks to improve a situation, we get bogged down with too negative thinking about what if it goes wrong or something? How long have we been waiting for a professional theme here? I know there are a good handful of excellent themes that would move XOOPS into the 21 century, including those from xoops.themes, but we still have to put up with this grey murky mass. It's analysis paralysis.

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And yes, the search can need optimization, but if after so much time there never existed in the FAQ the question "How to install XOOPS?" until todays date that it was created, no wonder people have had a hard time finding it.


Snow, you missed my point Google found entries regarding 'how to install xoops' on xoops.org, but the XOOPS search did not. Reason:- XOOPS search is not as intelligent as Google. It cant interrogate search string proximity, ie words that are close to each other are more relevant than a whole 2000 character post with those words in there somewhere. Thats why search results are so hap-hazard.

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Personalization of the labor process can sometimes give better results than the automatization of it.


Agreed and that pesonalisation needs management and team efforts. I think we must take one of these factors, let's say the XOOPS theme and give ourselves a deadline; To get a new professional theme installed here within 3 months. Let's cut the excuses and mitigations for delays, let's just 'walk the walk' and do the job without further delay. It's not a matter of knowhow, technology or politics. It's a matter of the will to do something and progessing the job to a conclusion. Let's stop pontificating and do something.

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#62 Posted on: 2007/2/1 13:19 Re: Has Xoops lost its appeal?
Theres more involved then just a new theme.

Works already underway on all this.

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#63 Posted on: 2007/2/1 13:32 Re: Has Xoops lost its appeal?
To answer the OP, the simple answer is "yes".

I have been using XOOPS for over 2 yrs and yesterday I decided enough is enough. I am shutting down my site and going to relaunch under DotNetNuke (DNN) in the coming weeks.

Moan and cry about it being windows centric but at least they have STANDARDS that are kept and followed. The core dev team also supports base modules and verifies compatibility and separates what modules work with what core version of the site software.

And in the base install you get the modules you need to get a site going (news, faq, forums, articles, RSS, etc) without having to go hunting via trial and error.

No insult intended to the devs here but XOOPS could certainly take a few pointers from the way the DNN project handles itself.

I have tried to stick with XOOPS but I do not see it keeping up or improving in the areas it needs to. And any constructive criticisms are only turned back on the person by the devs/fanbois here.

I will leave it at that, I bid you all farewell and my thanks to those that have helped me over the years.

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#64 Posted on: 2007/2/1 13:34 Re: Has Xoops lost its appeal?
Thanks David for clarifying this. Please allow me to press my question further. What is the timescale for this new theme? who are the decision makers here at XOOPS that agree or veto changes on the site? How long does it take to build a theme anyway.

back in October 2006 I asked the same question in my post- XOOPS theme sucks big time and I had some indication from Marco about future change. That was four months ago and still nothing has materialised.

I am not being contentious, but I am stirring this muddy pool to try and get some fresh water running again. Sometimes we need to be unpopular to get some action.

This is a respectful 'urge' to move onwards... please.

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#65 Posted on: 2007/2/1 14:10 Re: Has Xoops lost its appeal?
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To answer the OP, the simple answer is "yes".

I have been using XOOPS for over 2 yrs and yesterday I decided enough is enough. I am shutting down my site and going to relaunch under DotNetNuke (DNN) in the coming weeks.

Moan and cry about it being windows centric but at least they have STANDARDS that are kept and followed. The core dev team also supports base modules and verifies compatibility and separates what modules work with what core version of the site software.

And in the base install you get the modules you need to get a site going (news, faq, forums, articles, RSS, etc) without having to go hunting via trial and error.

No insult intended to the devs here but XOOPS could certainly take a few pointers from the way the DNN project handles itself.

I have tried to stick with XOOPS but I do not see it keeping up or improving in the areas it needs to. And any constructive criticisms are only turned back on the person by the devs/fanbois here.

I will leave it at that, I bid you all farewell and my thanks to those that have helped me over the years.


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The dotnetnuke is going to require a windows hosting arrangement, which costs about $20+ per month more with my hosting. Also, you'll find out soon enough the mods you really want on your site will be payware. The dotnetnuke uses ASP, which spelled backwards means "Pay me". You'll ne back somewhere because the whole payware environment is about take it or leave it, and we've got a payme upgrade coming out next month.

You'd do better to try Joomla, E107 or Drupal, before you get into the Microsoft loop.

It's not about the money, it's just that you get to pay for everything and you'd be surprised how much lousier a lot of the payware is compared to PHP apps.

Just remember, everybody has problems with software. You write a thousand lines of code you're gonna have errors and issues. I don't care what it's written in.

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#66 Posted on: 2007/2/1 14:23 Re: Has Xoops lost its appeal?
It's a nothing deal, putting up a theme. What's wrong with giving some competent dev a login and let him sort out issues on the theme for this site.

My gosh there are dozens of themes that could "Make this dog hunt".

IMO, I could care less about the appearance of this site. I know where to go to get what I want and it's about taking care of business for me.

I use google search by just going to Google.com it doesn't matter if this site has a good search or not.

People are already doing the workarounds, so if the XOOPS team wants to sit on it...sit on it. I do enjoy building my sites with the XOOPS and just about everyone I ever communicate with on the boards is first rate.

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#67 Posted on: 2007/2/1 14:55 Re: Has Xoops lost its appeal?
I agree domineaux...

Themes are pretty easy to build and install. Even I can do it! Building XOOPS sites is also pretty easy. I'm able to turn them around in a few days content and all.

As for the delay in the XOOPS site theme conversion... I have no idea why there's a problem.

As for the delay in the search thing... I don't get that either.

As for all the other wonderful CMS's out there, they have as many or more problems than XOOPS. Joomla is scattered to the wind with all its parts; Drupal too; not to mention the others. As for those willing to pay Micosoft, I guess that's why Bill G is rich and I'm not. Long ago I remember a saying that went:

"You can get better but you just can't pay more..."

I'll crawl back under my rock, watch what happens here and keep building XOOPS sites and providing my little contributions.

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#68 Posted on: 2007/2/1 15:01 Re: Has Xoops lost its appeal?
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I'll crawl back under my rock, watch what happens here and keep building XOOPS sites and providing my little contributions.


Heck, NO! we need ya here to add your bit. Every little bit helps the boat to move.

Thanks for your input Mark

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#69 Posted on: 2007/2/1 15:16 Re: Has Xoops lost its appeal?
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I'll crawl back under my rock, watch what happens here and keep building XOOPS sites and providing my little contributions.


That's cool, and funny as well.

I admit it, the XOOPS team has been doing fine by me for quite awhile.

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#70 Posted on: 2007/2/1 22:12 Re: Has Xoops lost its appeal?
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And why don't people ever use the SEARCH button? Isn't it big enough? Perhaps we need to make it about 500 x 500 pixels so people may just about see it?


Seriously, I think the issue of visibility is a big one. The xoops.org page is very busy, the careful use of colour would go a long way towards helping people 'see' important things like the search box.

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The issue of revamping the theme and using visual cues is an old shout of mine and I really dont think it's worth raising again.


Me too. Maybe No.1 on my wishlist for XOOPS.org is a slick professional looking theme. Lets face it - first impressions are important. We need people coming to xoops.org for the first time to go away thinking 'hey I could make a really nice site with that...I think I'll try it'.

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Agreed and that pesonalisation needs management and team efforts. I think we must take one of these factors, let's say the XOOPS theme and give ourselves a deadline; To get a new professional theme installed here within 3 months. Let's cut the excuses and mitigations for delays, let's just 'walk the walk' and do the job without further delay.


Agreed. There's got to be a fair bit of cash in the can now, so let's SPEND some of it! I suggest that xoops.org use some of its funds to hire a gun designer and get a gun & fully compliant theme developed, pronto!

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